Friday, July 20, 2007

Mary Did You Know?

A beautiful combination of clips from the Passion and the classic Christmas song "Mary, Did You Know." Expect to see this back here around Christmas time...

9 comments:

Anonymous said...

this is the sweetest movie i have ever seen!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tim Ferguson said...

The only problem is that the song expresses demonstrably heretical theology.

It's sweet and sentimental, but the line "the child that you delivered will soon deliver you" is completely contradictory to the dogma of the Immaculate Conception. It would also seem that, in virtue of the Annunciation and her bodily union to her divine child, Mary did have an understanding of who her child was, even if that understanding was imperfect.

Sorry to sound like a wet blanket, but I've heard this song too often in liturgical contexts - where it is totally inappropriate.

Anonymous said...

Actually, I don't think it has to be contradictory. His Cross is what enabled her to have an Immaculate Conception so you could say that Mary was delivered by the Cross of Christ and her Immaculate Conception was a grace given retroactively. Thus Jesus would be going to save Mary just as much as the rest of us. So to say it is "completely conradictory" is actually taking a stance that is not in conformity with the dogma of the Immaculate Conception.

And about how much Mary knew about her son and what he was going to do...isn't the song asking the question "how much did you know?"

I think your criticisms are a little over zealous...just enjoy the song, it is theologically sound...

Tim Ferguson said...

I think the Magnificat that Our Lady sings gives us more than ample clues to what Mary knew.

I'm really hate being the "wet blanket" type, but I have to take issue with the notion that the song is theologically sound.

While Mary's redemption is indeed wrought by the same Lord who saves us all and by his redemptive death, this song, written from a Protestant viewpoint that does not acknowledge the Immaculate Conception, baldly states that, at the time of she was holding the Infant Christ, she was not yet saved (else how could she "soon be delivered"?) In fact, by the time she was holding Christ, she already had been delivered - at the moment of her Immaculate Conception.

To the question - did she know? - a Catholic would have to answer, "of course she did!"

I suppose we can agree to disagree as to whether its a good song (de gustibus non est disputandum, and all that), and I certainly have some songs I enjoy that express questionable theological points, but I don't think the theological problems with this song should be lightly dismissed.

One thing I hope we can agree on is that this is a song that should not be utilized in a liturgical setting, since it does not fit in with the requirements of the Institutio Generalis Missalis Romani of 2003 and of the chirograph of the late John Paul II of November 22, 2003, on the hundredth anniversary of the great motu proprio Tra le sollicitudine on liturgical music.

Anonymous said...

well I think that your making something out of the song that isn't even there. I really didn't see any part in the song that it says Mary didn't realize what was going on. how many times have you or I addressed a question to someone even though we already know that they know the answer, e.g. hey Mrs. Smith what is 2+2. Mrs. Smith knows the answer or else we wouldn't be asking her. And since God is not bound by time everything is in the eternal now when Mary was holding the infant Jesus the crucifixtion hadn't happened yet. heck Christ could have decided not to die and then no one would have been saved. But, and I think that we can agree on this, God is all knowing he knew that Christ would go through with it and hence Mary also was saved by her Son's death and resurrection.

Tim Ferguson said...

Hmmm, "Christ could have decided not to die and then no one would have been saved."

I guess you and I have different views of theology.

I'll leave the rest of my quibbling aside, because I don't want to seem combative, nor to be a hostile presence on what is, overall, a very solid blog.

Anonymous said...

yes Christ could have decided not to die,"Father, not My will but yours be done" sure God could have chosen a diffrent way to save us but he chose the method that He did. so if Christ would not have done it we would not have had our sins forgiven unless God decided to take another route. remember Christ did have a free will, to do as he pleased, just like you and I.

Tim Ferguson said...

Christ did have free will, but His human will was subordinated to His divine will and there was no contrareity in His will.

If Christ had not acceded to His passion and death and countered the will of the Father, one would have to then posit the possibility of either disagreement in the Godhead - the Son contradicting the Father, or worse, disagreement in the hypostatic union as well as disagreement in the Godhead.

The tertia pars of the Summa is good at outlining the difficulties here, as well as laying out, as simply as possible, the orthodox position.

historybudd said...

Dude I think you should just sit back and enjoy the song. You are getting stressed over something small like a song. just enjoy it like everyone else did.